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The following sentence should be removed or seriously emended: "Whatever religious, mystical or spiritual elements were central to Stonehenge, its design includes a celestial observatory function, which might have allowed prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to a contemporary religion"
This implies consensus about the "celestial observatory" function of Stonehenge, but all that is cited is Hawkins, GS (1966). Stonehenge Decoded, which as the rest of the article makes clear is far from generally accepted today (Cf. also Encyclopedia Brittanica s.v. Stonehenge, which makes the same point re Hawkins' work). 195.252.220.68 (talk) 00:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. I disagree and reverted the deletion pending further discussion. Nothing in the article questions Hawkins's conjecture about the design of the monument. Yes, there are other conjectures about the subsequent funerary use of the site but none that propose alternative theories that explain its multiple astronomical alignments and apparent functions as a lunisolar calendar. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a conjecture, and the sentence proposed for removal reports it as an unchallenged fact. I'm not going to get into a battle of reversions here, but the OP above is correct - this theory is not universally accepted and we should not present it as such. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hawkins was a professor of astronomy and I don't see that we can reasonably question his assessment of the astronomical alignments. But maybe we can find a more circumspect way of writing it? How about simply "It is conjectured that the design of the monument included a celestial observatory function, which might have allowed prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to a contemporary religion". (citing Hawkins for the conjecture). Would that be acceptable? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hawkins book is well-known, but even if some of the claims in it are no longer accepted, but that does not justify removing the sentence entirely. It should certainly be rewritten; I would amend JMF's proposal to "It has been conjectured that the design of the monument included a celestial observatory function, which might allow prediction of eclipse, solstice, equinox and other celestial events important to the builders' belief system". — Preceding unsigned comment added by DerbyCountyinNZ (talk • contribs) 06:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd definitely support that wording, but we should check it in the context of the full paragraph to ensure we don't repeat ourselves too much. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it should never have been in that paragraph (about subsequent funerary uses) in the first place. I have removed it but added the compromise sentence to the opening paragraph of the section, which is more about design. I've been bold, of course, since it is easier to discuss an idea in context rather than in isolation. The new sentence makes clear that it is a conjecture and suggested see also Archaeoastronomy and Stonehenge goes into more detail. WP:BRD is available if anyone still feels strongly that it is undue. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that it has become too long, too unwieldy and has passed the TL;DR point. How about a split between peer-reviewed archaeology (on the one hand) and popular culture (on the other). The latter would include the Arthurian legends etc.
Oppose - I think this is a bad idea. It would likely have the effect that someone with a general interest Stonehenge, but little knowledge, would get diverted to the ‘popular culture’ article, and never find out anything about the real Stonehenge. Sweet6970 (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Too much weight given to certain aspects of the article, e.g. the recent additions under neopagnism. Disagree that readers will get misdirected to other articles, a search for "Stonehenge" comes to this page, the minutiae and trivia are summarised here with links to relevant articles where they can be explained in detail. DerbyCountyinNZ(TalkContribs)19:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "quick facts" panel says "Founded Bronze Age". The main text says "Stonehenge was constructed in several phases beginning about 3100 BC". 3100 BC may have been the Bronze Age in the middle east but it certainly wasn't in the British Isles.
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Not done: Vandalized may imply that the stones were damaged, whereas marked is unambiguous. Hypnôs (talk) 21:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Done: I agree. Sorted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
